Meet The Bluesky
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What happened this time?
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It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.
If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.
Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.
Are there any other instances of BS though? My understanding was that it's too costly to host so there's only the official one
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Are there any other instances of BS though? My understanding was that it's too costly to host so there's only the official one
It's gotten cheaper.
deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.
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It's gotten cheaper.
deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.
Oh sweet that's great to hear!
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What happened this time?
Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.
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Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.
That bitch has a rotten fish turd for a heart.
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Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.
Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.
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It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.
If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.
Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.
If you get banned on mastodon, you can’t move your followers to another server
This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.
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The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month
Great!
But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.
As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.
This is less great.
Edit: Wait, what?
The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.
What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.
I'm more confused now.
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Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.
JKR isn't American.
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Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.
For context: jk Rowling
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JKR isn't American.
And what about the person writing the abbreviation?
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For context: jk Rowling
Thank you!
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If you get banned on mastodon, you can’t move your followers to another server
This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.
Sure, but admins still have the power to make it impossible for you to migrate, whereas bluesky does not.
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I said months ago, on Bluesky no less, that it would eventually travel down the same route Twitter did. Said enjoy it while it lasts but eventually it's inevitable that bluesky will just be twitter from years ago. And they're traveling that route in record time.
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Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.
They've got fuckin JKR Rowling on there?? What absolute trash.
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Sure, but admins still have the power to make it impossible for you to migrate, whereas bluesky does not.
I mean those followers wouldn't mean much if Bluesky stopped indexing your profile though, unless they also jumped to an alternative relay.
I don't want to labour this point too much, I generally agree with you that Bluesky handles this better and it's the direction fedi should be heading.
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I mean those followers wouldn't mean much if Bluesky stopped indexing your profile though, unless they also jumped to an alternative relay.
I don't want to labour this point too much, I generally agree with you that Bluesky handles this better and it's the direction fedi should be heading.
That's a fault of everyone using bluesky's infrastucture, the same could happen on the fediverse.
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I mean the name alone was a nail in the coffin. Bluesky for blue MAGA.
I don't know that the name had anything to do with it, but it definitely is a BlueMAGA watering hole with all the vibes of a portapotty after a 3-day festival in high summer.
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The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month
Great!
But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.
As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.
This is less great.
Edit: Wait, what?
The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.
What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.
I'm more confused now.
Definitely important to look at, but also pretty industry standard. These texts are legal protections so they cover literally everything, even if a lot of those wouldn't hold in court.
