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  • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    It's gotten cheaper.

    deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.

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    notsteve_@piefed.ca
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    Oh sweet that's great to hear!

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    • mintiefresh@piefed.caM mintiefresh@piefed.ca

      What happened this time?

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      maam@feddit.uk
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      Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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      • M maam@feddit.uk

        Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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        scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        That bitch has a rotten fish turd for a heart.

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        • M maam@feddit.uk

          Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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          ook@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.

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          • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.

            If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.

            Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.

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            flamingos@feddit.uk
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            #28

            If you get banned on mastodon, you can’t move your followers to another server

            This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.

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            • klu9@piefed.socialK klu9@piefed.social

              Cory Doctorow on new Bluesky TOS

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              threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
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              #29

              The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month

              Great!

              But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.

              As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.

              This is less great.

              Edit: Wait, what?

              The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.

              What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.

              I'm more confused now.

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              • ook@discuss.tchncs.deO ook@discuss.tchncs.de

                Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.

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                moakley@lemmy.world
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                JKR isn't American.

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                • ook@discuss.tchncs.deO ook@discuss.tchncs.de

                  Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.

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                  scratchee@feddit.uk
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                  #31

                  For context: jk Rowling

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                  • M moakley@lemmy.world

                    JKR isn't American.

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                    ook@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    #32

                    And what about the person writing the abbreviation?

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                    • S scratchee@feddit.uk

                      For context: jk Rowling

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                      ook@discuss.tchncs.de
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                      #33

                      Thank you!

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                      • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

                        If you get banned on mastodon, you can’t move your followers to another server

                        This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.

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                        irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #34

                        Sure, but admins still have the power to make it impossible for you to migrate, whereas bluesky does not.

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                          rozodru@lemmy.world
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                          I said months ago, on Bluesky no less, that it would eventually travel down the same route Twitter did. Said enjoy it while it lasts but eventually it's inevitable that bluesky will just be twitter from years ago. And they're traveling that route in record time.

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                          • M maam@feddit.uk

                            Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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                            grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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                            #36

                            They've got fuckin JKR Rowling on there?? What absolute trash.

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                            • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              Sure, but admins still have the power to make it impossible for you to migrate, whereas bluesky does not.

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                              flamingos@feddit.uk
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                              I mean those followers wouldn't mean much if Bluesky stopped indexing your profile though, unless they also jumped to an alternative relay.

                              I don't want to labour this point too much, I generally agree with you that Bluesky handles this better and it's the direction fedi should be heading.

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                              • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

                                I mean those followers wouldn't mean much if Bluesky stopped indexing your profile though, unless they also jumped to an alternative relay.

                                I don't want to labour this point too much, I generally agree with you that Bluesky handles this better and it's the direction fedi should be heading.

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                                irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                That's a fault of everyone using bluesky's infrastucture, the same could happen on the fediverse.
                                That's the biggest problem rn imo.

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                                • R redpandaraider@feddit.org

                                  I mean the name alone was a nail in the coffin. Bluesky for blue MAGA.

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                                  thorrjo@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                  I don't know that the name had anything to do with it, but it definitely is a BlueMAGA watering hole with all the vibes of a portapotty after a 3-day festival in high summer.

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                                    The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month

                                    Great!

                                    But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.

                                    As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.

                                    This is less great.

                                    Edit: Wait, what?

                                    The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.

                                    What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.

                                    I'm more confused now.

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                                    randomgal@lemmy.ca
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                                    Definitely important to look at, but also pretty industry standard. These texts are legal protections so they cover literally everything, even if a lot of those wouldn't hold in court.

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                                    • T thorrjo@lemmy.sdf.org

                                      I don't know that the name had anything to do with it, but it definitely is a BlueMAGA watering hole with all the vibes of a portapotty after a 3-day festival in high summer.

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                                      redpandaraider@feddit.org
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                                      It was just a joke considering both have blue in their name.

                                      Bluesky became the liberal part of twitter. I mean quite literally most users come from there. It was doomed from the start with that.

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                                        omniman@anarchist.nexus
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                                        Bluesky/at protocol is the future. Activepub is going to die . I can gurrentee

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