Are you doing your part?
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There are great discussions here.
The problem is that we have too few users, so most topics you'd want to discuss aren't going to have existing thriving communities to chat with you. All of Lemmy put together is dwarfed by single reddit communities. for niche topics.
I'm not complaining, because the barriers to entry and lack of popular awareness keeps the user base here smarter and more interesting to talk to. But for the good of humanity I do think we need open tech like this to get widespread adoption, and it's going to take a long time. Reddit had almost two decades' head start.
And looking at a timeline, at this point in Reddit's history a few years in, the most popular subs with the early adopters were politics, programming, abe science. Sounds familiar, lol.
It's sobering to consider how tiny Lemmy is. Both the Linus Tech Tips forum and the Crackberry forum are bigger and more active than all of Lemmy together.
Back in the day, even something niche as the Blitzbasic forum was bigger than Lemmy is now.
It's probably a good thing too, since both performance and in the way moderation needs to be done on Lemmy is so inefficient that it's right now already at the point where instances are getting closed down because they can't handle the workload and cost.
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I agree with the criticism of the content, especially since we solved a lot of these problems on reddit years ago, but as I’ve said on here before, we need a critical mass in order to achieve the kind of platform we’re looking to replicate. If lemmy keeps growing, it might come. Acculturation might not be possible though.
But Lemmy isn't growing. In fact, it's declining: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=1000
(When looking at these stats, remember that the post and comment counts are all-time comments/posts that are available at that specific day on the platform. In June 2024 there were more total comments than now, and in November 2024 there were more posts than there are now.
And all numbers are including the NSFW instance.
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One problem with tankies though is that they basically are right-wingers, just on the left, i.e. they are in form if not content.
And then both sides of that extremist divide drives away the 80% or so in the middle somewhere, leaving the platform empty due to the "Nazi bar effect" (you may choose to ignore the actual Nazis as you sit in your own little corner in a bar, but how can you invite your friends, especially Jewish ones, to come to such?)
Purity testing will continue until morale improves (i.e. short sighted thinking does not realize that certain modes of treating especially newcomers to a place will effectively kill it off, eventually leaving solely the "pure" remaining - except nobody is truly pure so realistically it will leave almost nobody).
There are many true leftist places here on the Threadiverse btw including slrpnk.net and dbzero. And there, I just did purity testing myself:-), although due to the Intolerance Paradox this must be done in order for any type of community to be made.
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I think they might be talking about the “atheist culture” that used to exist on reddit back during the New Atheist Movement. This might seem unnecessary but maybe we should distinguish between atheism and Atheism, since that’s usually what people are objecting to.
Even "new atheism" is really not fairly put alongside child porn or racism.
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I am, the 2 most recent posts in the last 7 months are me!
Keep chugging along.
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I saw bluesky take off and get millions of users right away. Appearently they have 38 million users now.
I guess advertising works...
It is the barrier to entry - most people probably stopped on "choose a server".
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Even "new atheism" is really not fairly put alongside child porn or racism.
Not the movement, the people on reddit. I think they were comparing their behavior.
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Not the movement, the people on reddit. I think they were comparing their behavior.
That still seems outrageous to compare a smug new atheist to someone who posts child porn
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That still seems outrageous to compare a smug new atheist to someone who posts child porn
Ok so I don’t want to go to bat too much for an opinion I was mostly speculating on (since that person never clarified), but the atheist community on reddit was a lot worse than just smug pricks back then. Serious sexism, racism, defense of gay marriage but tons of homophobia, etc. This is what I assume the comment OP was talking about.
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Not true! you can get into arguments with random people about Marxism AND Linux!
...and Star Trek.
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Agreed.
I don't think anyone that believes different was on early Reddit.
I joined Reddit in like 2008, and it definitely felt similar to Lemmy, and my understanding was that even then it was already starting to noticeably change.
I think the culture shift was related to the Digg exodus
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There is discussion but the userbase's interests arent super wide so at the moment its techy and politicsy. Which is fine at least we arent following reddit which started out with racists, atheiests and child porn.
I've recently been checking out reddit to see discussion on a few topics not covered here, MMA and beyond all reason. I'm shocked by how low quality the comments are. I can open a 900 comment thread and not see a single comment that discusses the thread topic or discusses anything.
Honestly, that's not accidental. Reddit's a hot mess right now..
Once the IPO dropped last year, the algorithm started steering users to the least productive, most rage-bait inducing content. I was on many art-related subs and within 6 months, my feed pivoted to the political feeds.. MurderedByWords, LeopardsAteMyFace and others. The AppleHelp and VintageGaming and VintageApple where I had the best, most in-depth conversations all but vanished from my home page feed.
Oddly enough subs like anime_titties (which was non-US based global-only news with the sub's title used to keep the 50-cent Army from seeing it as the Great Firewall doesn't like anime_titties) also went down my feed list. Then mystery subs with really rage-inducing content like NewsHub which was lots of middle-east and Gaza related stuff appeared - and I hadn't ever visited that sub.. stuff that I han't even heard of showed up.
NGL, I fell right into it. It's slick, that's for sure.
Eventually the rage-bait posts got me.. I had started to get snarkier and snarkier and the mod-bots bumped me yesterday - within a minute - of making a metaphorically mean post. I spent the evening on old reddit getting at the unarchived content I'd posted and manually deleted it. Then managed to get to the delete account page and left. 14 years. Oh well.
The AI they're using isn't as well trained as they think, (hence the Reddit stock tanking in the past 2 weeks) and of course Steven MIller (the real POTUS right now) is looking to go after the mainstream social media sites.
It's getting a bit schizophrenic, what with the fear of the Trump Administration meddling on one hand and the algorithm on the other driving engagement by highlighting the EXACT strident content that makes it a target.
Oooooffffff. Fun times ahead.
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It is the barrier to entry - most people probably stopped on "choose a server".
I did a few times before I figured it out.
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One problem with tankies though is that they basically are right-wingers, just on the left, i.e. they are in form if not content.
And then both sides of that extremist divide drives away the 80% or so in the middle somewhere, leaving the platform empty due to the "Nazi bar effect" (you may choose to ignore the actual Nazis as you sit in your own little corner in a bar, but how can you invite your friends, especially Jewish ones, to come to such?)
Purity testing will continue until morale improves (i.e. short sighted thinking does not realize that certain modes of treating especially newcomers to a place will effectively kill it off, eventually leaving solely the "pure" remaining - except nobody is truly pure so realistically it will leave almost nobody).
There are many true leftist places here on the Threadiverse btw including slrpnk.net and dbzero. And there, I just did purity testing myself:-), although due to the Intolerance Paradox this must be done in order for any type of community to be made.
Maybe I dont actually know what a tankie is. What is commonly understood to be a tankie here on this platform? I thought it was specifically the subset of ML who thought that stalin was right to send in the tanks? Am I missing something?
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Genuinely curious, theoretically how valuable would a once and done service install of a private open source machine learning model on your local network that can do that skimming functionality be for you? A private box thats setup and just works? Is that even something people would want?
Very useful, especially for static pre-2022 information. If these models were <5GB in size, I'd happily have the model always sitting in memory on my raspberry Pi waiting for me to ask it something.
For newer data though, you cannot beat the army of trawlers and the constant retraining that the commercial models offer... though given the nature of the steadily poisoned information sources post-2022, their effectiveness in this is steadily diminishing.
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Like I get the meme, but maybe rethink it? It’s also giving
Welcome to 2025 where the platform that promotes nazi rhetoric are the victims.
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I did a few times before I figured it out.
Me too, only my hatred grew my resolve
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Me too, only my hatred grew my resolve
That's what did it for me. The admins are the trolls and protect their troll buddies.
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I saw bluesky take off and get millions of users right away. Appearently they have 38 million users now.
I guess advertising works...
Bluesky isn't open tech. The masses will flock to low barrier to entry walled gardens. They can have them.
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Lemmy doesnt have any proper discussions though. Its just memes. Personally i have to check reddit to actually get proper content to learn something from.
But still, Lemmy is at least not big tech!
Honestly I like the conversations here, it reminds me a lot of the old internet.
