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  • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

    Personally, its as simple as the ATProtocol is hard connected to Bluesky full stop. If Bluesky goes under, then AT will definitely suffer or fail.

    The fediverse (AKA ActivityPub) is not reliant on just one entity, its many many entities implementing the same protocol. So its MUCH more resilient than AT.

    But the good news is that we don't need to choose, as long as AP and AT both exist and keep going its going to be fine. The only issue becomes if services start only using AT over AP. Then we get a Microsoft situation where embrace extend extinguish occurs and we all become reliant on one not so benevolent corporation.

    Im still going to root for the more open source protocol for the above reasons.

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    #55

    Both protocols are open source.
    At can exist without bluesky, but most people are on it. I wouldn't say it's "hard connected" to it.
    Also: there are various implementations of Atproto.

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    • B buddascrayon@lemmy.world

      I have read the entire Harry Potter series (before she outed herself as being scum). And calling her writing bad is disingenuous. She isn't a bad writer, or more accurately she wasn't. (It's notable that her writing started to degrade very sharply not long after she outed herself as a TERF).

      She is a fucking horrid human being as are Orson Scott Card and Scott Adams along with a few others who's true colors shined through due to the pervasive nature of social media. But to blandly call their works "shitty" just as a lazy dig at them degrades you, not them. It makes your opinion worthless.

      J.K. Rowling is an absolute dipshit asswipe who should be tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail anywhere she goes. And more people should say so as loudly as possible. But the Harry Potter books were beloved by millions for a reason. If only she had gone blind, deaf, and dumb after she finished writing them. 😒

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      socsa@piefed.social
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      #56

      I thought the books were aggressively mediocre YA trash from the start.

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      • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        Both protocols are open source.
        At can exist without bluesky, but most people are on it. I wouldn't say it's "hard connected" to it.
        Also: there are various implementations of Atproto.

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        mesamunefire@piefed.social
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        #57

        Lets agree to disagree.

        Ive seen many times where the company behind a tech goes under and the tech suffers because of it. And AT seems to be hard connected to Bluesky given the wikipedia article and the codebase that I have seen. But having competing services is not necessarily a bad thing. It can mean they can both learn from one another (like yarn and npm did a long time ago) and we get a better service. I dont necessarily want AT to fail, but I do want them to become MUCH more distant to Bluesky.

        And they have the most risk to become Enshittied given the crypto/investors/millionaires involved with BlueSky.

        Ill still be supporting AP with my development time since its easier for me to stand up and work with.

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        • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

          Lets agree to disagree.

          Ive seen many times where the company behind a tech goes under and the tech suffers because of it. And AT seems to be hard connected to Bluesky given the wikipedia article and the codebase that I have seen. But having competing services is not necessarily a bad thing. It can mean they can both learn from one another (like yarn and npm did a long time ago) and we get a better service. I dont necessarily want AT to fail, but I do want them to become MUCH more distant to Bluesky.

          And they have the most risk to become Enshittied given the crypto/investors/millionaires involved with BlueSky.

          Ill still be supporting AP with my development time since its easier for me to stand up and work with.

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          #58

          If mastodon disappeared tomorrow it would be chaos. Loads of servers would shut down, and the rest would switch to a fork.
          It would do irreapable damage to the fediverse, since mastodon basically controls the spec (the w3 thing is more of a collection of suggestions).

          AT is infinietly easier to work with as well.

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          • recursiveparadox@lemmy.worldR recursiveparadox@lemmy.world

            Um what? The hate for JKR is quite active on bsky. OP smoking crack; we hate that bitch.

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            Jessie gender got their account suspended because they said they wish ill to JKR. Was like the most polite insults you could say lol

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            • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              If mastodon disappeared tomorrow it would be chaos. Loads of servers would shut down, and the rest would switch to a fork.
              It would do irreapable damage to the fediverse, since mastodon basically controls the spec (the w3 thing is more of a collection of suggestions).

              AT is infinietly easier to work with as well.

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              mesamunefire@piefed.social
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              #60

              Again as a Dev, I have to disagree.

              How can mastodon disappear? By definition, its on open platforms and self hosted solutions. It cant. And we are using the spec to talk right now.

              And as a Dev AT really isn't easier to work with. I've tried hooking it up multiple times and while I can do it, its such a pain. And debug is pretty terrible experience. But its a an opinion on both sides.

              You seem very invested in the protocol. Why if I may ask?

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              • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

                Again as a Dev, I have to disagree.

                How can mastodon disappear? By definition, its on open platforms and self hosted solutions. It cant. And we are using the spec to talk right now.

                And as a Dev AT really isn't easier to work with. I've tried hooking it up multiple times and while I can do it, its such a pain. And debug is pretty terrible experience. But its a an opinion on both sides.

                You seem very invested in the protocol. Why if I may ask?

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                Have you built anything on AP? It's a pain. A poorly documented headache inducing pain.

                I didn't say mastodon would disappear, I said it would cause irreparable damage to the network. Bluesky/atproto won't disappear without Bluesky PBC, but it would cause irreparable damage to the network.

                Obviously mastodon is in a better position for this to happen.

                I'm not really invested in the protocol, I prefer AP honestly, but everyone here is annoyingly elitest about the fediverse.

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                • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Have you built anything on AP? It's a pain. A poorly documented headache inducing pain.

                  I didn't say mastodon would disappear, I said it would cause irreparable damage to the network. Bluesky/atproto won't disappear without Bluesky PBC, but it would cause irreparable damage to the network.

                  Obviously mastodon is in a better position for this to happen.

                  I'm not really invested in the protocol, I prefer AP honestly, but everyone here is annoyingly elitest about the fediverse.

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                  mesamunefire@piefed.social
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                  #62

                  Yep! Your using it now 😉 at least a very little bit if your URL is correct.

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                  • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

                    Yep! Your using it now 😉 at least a very little bit if your URL is correct.

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                    irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #63

                    A little bit of what? sorry, this makes no sense to me.

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                    • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      No. Their hosting costs would be the same regardless of how many people self host.

                      You get all the benefits of self hosting from appviews.

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                      monogram@feddit.nl
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                      If it did, ofcom would need to call up each person hosting content on the atprotocol, no, bluesky is the one and only that has affective access, with abilities to sensor, on your hosted content.

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                      • S socsa@piefed.social

                        I thought the books were aggressively mediocre YA trash from the start.

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                        buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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                        Careful not to cut yourself on that edge.

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                        • M monogram@feddit.nl

                          If it did, ofcom would need to call up each person hosting content on the atprotocol, no, bluesky is the one and only that has affective access, with abilities to sensor, on your hosted content.

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                          irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          No. On app.wafrn.net (fedi/bluesky tumblr clone) they have no control.

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                          • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

                            Personally, its as simple as the ATProtocol is hard connected to Bluesky full stop. If Bluesky goes under, then AT will definitely suffer or fail.

                            The fediverse (AKA ActivityPub) is not reliant on just one entity, its many many entities implementing the same protocol. So its MUCH more resilient than AT.

                            But the good news is that we don't need to choose, as long as AP and AT both exist and keep going its going to be fine. The only issue becomes if services start only using AT over AP. Then we get a Microsoft situation where embrace extend extinguish occurs and we all become reliant on one not so benevolent corporation.

                            Im still going to root for the more open source protocol for the above reasons.

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                            Do you mean it's reliant in some sort of technical way, or just that it is currently so dominated by BS that it's hard to meaningfully separate the protocol from the platform in practice? Kinda like if ML was 90% of the Lemmy market share?

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                              Hilarious considering one of their flagship features is community tags for content moderation. You'd think the TERF enablers would suggest tagging it as "non-TERF" or whatever. But no. Fuck em. Bluesky sucks anyways. They have comically short DM lengths and don't allow images.

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                              • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                No. On app.wafrn.net (fedi/bluesky tumblr clone) they have no control.

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                                monogram@feddit.nl
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                                Looks like app.wafrn.net still depends on the relay (that thing that costs billions in hosting)

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                                • M monogram@feddit.nl

                                  Looks like app.wafrn.net still depends on the relay (that thing that costs billions in hosting)

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                                  app.wafrn.net does use bluesky's relay, but they can switch to another one (like atproto.africa).

                                  Hosting relays has gotten cheaper, it's only about $34 a month now.

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                                  • comraderachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC comraderachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                    Jessie gender got their account suspended because they said they wish ill to JKR. Was like the most polite insults you could say lol

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                                    The mods walked that back right away.

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                                        Bsky, mastodon, whatever. Microblogging is a trash format that we should move on from.

                                        I actively wish JK harm.

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                                        • korthrun@lemmy.sdf.orgK korthrun@lemmy.sdf.org

                                          Bsky, mastodon, whatever. Microblogging is a trash format that we should move on from.

                                          I actively wish JK harm.

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                                          Luckily here on Lemmy is a whole different story 🤣🤣🤣

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