@lowficarrots that's fair yeah, it's mostly the optics as you say but the optics here are worth slightly more than nothing bc it's also a sort of visibility into the work being done, and that went from "a little" to "basically none"maybe it's because i'm looking at this with retro vision but the era of the dev phones (ADP1 and ADP2 as rebranded HTC Dream and Magic) and being on xda at the time it seemed like android was going to be better windows mobile. now it's just alternative iphone os
