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The Instances That Prefer XMPP Over Matrix For Decentralized Private Chatting

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  • sunshine@piefed.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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    sunshine@piefed.ca
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    I suppose they have arguments about the protocol being more energy efficient. They will need to convince the dev of Fluffy Chat to port the protocol for me to switch over.

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    • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

      I suppose they have arguments about the protocol being more energy efficient. They will need to convince the dev of Fluffy Chat to port the protocol for me to switch over.

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      #2

      It's generally more hasslefree and much faster, and it is easy to connect xmpp accounts with Lemmy or Piefed and thus be reachable under the same federated address.

      If anyone is interested in adding a linked XMPP server to their instance, I am willing to help with advise. Just PM me or contact me on XMPP with the same username as here.

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      • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

        It's generally more hasslefree and much faster, and it is easy to connect xmpp accounts with Lemmy or Piefed and thus be reachable under the same federated address.

        If anyone is interested in adding a linked XMPP server to their instance, I am willing to help with advise. Just PM me or contact me on XMPP with the same username as here.

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        sunshine@piefed.ca
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        #3

        Do admins of XMPP rooms have to update their groups separately from the homeserver?

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        • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

          It's generally more hasslefree and much faster, and it is easy to connect xmpp accounts with Lemmy or Piefed and thus be reachable under the same federated address.

          If anyone is interested in adding a linked XMPP server to their instance, I am willing to help with advise. Just PM me or contact me on XMPP with the same username as here.

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          fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
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          #4

          XMPP not being E2EE exclusive because of it's age is not the greatest but I'm assuming that modern extensions have fixed that.

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          • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

            XMPP not being E2EE exclusive because of it's age is not the greatest but I'm assuming that modern extensions have fixed that.

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            povoq@slrpnk.net
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            #5

            Most apps enable it by default and display a warning when it is disabled, which is by far preferrable over enforcing it.

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            • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

              I suppose they have arguments about the protocol being more energy efficient. They will need to convince the dev of Fluffy Chat to port the protocol for me to switch over.

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              turret3857@infosec.pub
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              My main issue with XMPP at this time is there isn't a client I like. The one I see most recommended is one that looks almost exactly like element IMO. I would want something that looks similar to Mattermost/Cinny/Slack, but as far as I can tell it does not exist. I'd love to use XMPP, but the projects I follow are mostly on Matrix (and discord :/) and there isn't an appealing client for me, so I really can't justify using it.

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              • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

                Do admins of XMPP rooms have to update their groups separately from the homeserver?

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                #7

                Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you are referring to Matrix like room versions then that entire concept doesn't exist in XMPP (which prevents a lot of problems).

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                • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                  Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you are referring to Matrix like room versions then that entire concept doesn't exist in XMPP (which prevents a lot of problems).

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                  sunshine@piefed.ca
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                  #8

                  That sounds nice, so do all the rooms get updated alongside the homeserver?

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                  • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

                    That sounds nice, so do all the rooms get updated alongside the homeserver?

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                    povoq@slrpnk.net
                    wrote last edited by povoq@slrpnk.net
                    #9

                    Well, "yes". But there isn't really such a thing as updating a room. In xmpp, rooms follow a standard and communicate additional optional capabilities to clients.

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                    • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                      My main issue with XMPP at this time is there isn't a client I like. The one I see most recommended is one that looks almost exactly like element IMO. I would want something that looks similar to Mattermost/Cinny/Slack, but as far as I can tell it does not exist. I'd love to use XMPP, but the projects I follow are mostly on Matrix (and discord :/) and there isn't an appealing client for me, so I really can't justify using it.

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                      povoq@slrpnk.net
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                      #10

                      Which XMPP client looks like Element?

                      I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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                      • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                        Which XMPP client looks like Element?

                        I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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                        turret3857@infosec.pub
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                        #11

                        Gajim

                        Prose looks really cool, I'm going to have to try it out. It never came up when I was looking a few weeks back 😛

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                        • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                          Gajim

                          Prose looks really cool, I'm going to have to try it out. It never came up when I was looking a few weeks back 😛

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                          povoq@slrpnk.net
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                          #12

                          I find that it looks more like Discord, but sure, Element also copied a lot of stuff from Discord.

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                          • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                            I find that it looks more like Discord, but sure, Element also copied a lot of stuff from Discord.

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                            turret3857@infosec.pub
                            wrote last edited by
                            #13

                            Gajim
                            Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                            Element
                            Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                            Discord
                            Screenshot of Discord

                            I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                            • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                              Gajim
                              Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                              Element
                              Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                              Discord
                              Screenshot of Discord

                              I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                              povoq@slrpnk.net
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                              #14

                              Switch Gajim to dark mode and close that thread view in Discord and it looks almost the same.

                              But yes there is a lot of UI copying, but Discord is clearly the main inspiration for both.

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                              • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                                Gajim
                                Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                                Element
                                Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                                Discord
                                Screenshot of Discord

                                I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                                sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                Thanks for the screenshots!

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                                • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                                  Which XMPP client looks like Element?

                                  I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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                                  sunshine@piefed.ca
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                                  I tried adding an avatar using Monal but it didn’t work 😭

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