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When the holy one left the Fediverse, my faith in Dog was broken

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  • cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zoneC cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone

    Now the question is, do they mean anti communist or anti tankie? Hmmmm

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    darkcloud@lemmy.world
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    On content: they were saying that bringing up Lysenkoism and saying communist societies didn't actively WANT to have famines was the equivalent of Holocaust Denial (which I don't think it is, the Nazis were pretty intentional in doing the Jewish Holocaust).

    On context: Yes this was part of their work moderating a TankieJerk community.

    I don't really get people who are bothered by Tankies, during a time of rightwing fascism. Tankies are such a small minority that they're pretty much irrelevant and can be easily avoided or ignored as inconsequential.

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    • D darkcloud@lemmy.world

      On content: they were saying that bringing up Lysenkoism and saying communist societies didn't actively WANT to have famines was the equivalent of Holocaust Denial (which I don't think it is, the Nazis were pretty intentional in doing the Jewish Holocaust).

      On context: Yes this was part of their work moderating a TankieJerk community.

      I don't really get people who are bothered by Tankies, during a time of rightwing fascism. Tankies are such a small minority that they're pretty much irrelevant and can be easily avoided or ignored as inconsequential.

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      openstars@discuss.online
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      #42

      Sure, bc the mantra of bOtH sIdEs SaMe had nothing to do with Trump winning the last USA election. (/s) Granted that the Threadiverse itself is wholly inconsequential though.

      If you listen to pretty much anyone arguing about us over on Reddit, explaining why they gave this place a legit try for multiple years but left and vehemently refuse to ever consider coming back, it's primarily tankies that they themselves cite as the reason why they left.

      Though it is unclear if they realized that hexbears aren't actually tankies so much as a more pure form of troll that believes in nothing except dunking on people. It does, however, somewhat go with the territory of denying factual reality in preference to the echo chamber consensus?

      Essentially in man vs. bear, people are choosing the bears, and the incels being avoided would do well to ask why that is, if we ever want to grow the Threadiverse.

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        schmuppes@lemmy.today
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        Have an upvote, just to test the limits of your instance.

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        • arotrios@lemmy.worldA arotrios@lemmy.world
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          pugjesus@piefed.social
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          #44

          The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Piefeds, but in ourselves.

          I still check in from time to time, check reports, make sure there's no spam. It's just that... I don't have the energy to move the comms again, and I don't want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

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            pugjesus@piefed.social
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            #45

            But the more i interacted with them, the more i saw long waffly comments without a firm point.

            I've been accused of many things over the years, but this is probably the first time I've been accused of waffling.

            Or saw them arguing in favour of common misconceptions, or in favour of outdated “heirarchies are a good thing” understandings of history, or in favour of arguments that more recent research casts a lot of doubt on.

            lmao what

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            • M manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml

              They'd post a lot of pretty lazy rightwing history memes, and are a pretty ardant anticommunist (buts par for the course in the anglosphere)

              but also whatever they're just some guy, no strong feelings, there's more important things to worry about

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              pugjesus@piefed.social
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              #46

              They’d post a lot of pretty lazy rightwing history memes,

              Lazy, sure. Right-wing?

              and are a pretty ardant anticommunist (buts par for the course in the anglosphere)

              Sorry for being more aligned with Marx than Stalin?

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              • D darkcloud@lemmy.world

                On content: they were saying that bringing up Lysenkoism and saying communist societies didn't actively WANT to have famines was the equivalent of Holocaust Denial (which I don't think it is, the Nazis were pretty intentional in doing the Jewish Holocaust).

                On context: Yes this was part of their work moderating a TankieJerk community.

                I don't really get people who are bothered by Tankies, during a time of rightwing fascism. Tankies are such a small minority that they're pretty much irrelevant and can be easily avoided or ignored as inconsequential.

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                pugjesus@piefed.social
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                #47

                On content: they were saying that bringing up Lysenkoism and saying communist societies didn’t actively WANT to have famines was the equivalent of Holocaust Denial (which I don’t think it is, the Nazis were pretty intentional in doing the Jewish Holocaust).

                That's a cute way of saying "I was downplaying the Holodomor and Great Chinese Famine by spreading misinformation that doesn't even align with the basic timeline of events and got banned for it"

                I don’t really get people who are bothered by Tankies, during a time of rightwing fascism. Tankies are such a small minority that they’re pretty much irrelevant and can be easily avoided or ignored as inconsequential.

                In the US, sure.

                On the Fediverse, where red fash are a significant proportion and regularly spread misinformation about, say, historical genocides, or fucking North Korea?

                On the Fediverse, they're a problem. Hence why it was important for me to speak up on the problem on the Fediverse, and not, say, when I was on Reddit.

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                  blaze@piefed.zip
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                  OP isn't correct in this case, I think it's to stay aligned with the tongue in cheek tone of the post.

                  The voting limit is for votes given, not received.

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                  • pugjesus@piefed.socialP pugjesus@piefed.social

                    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Piefeds, but in ourselves.

                    I still check in from time to time, check reports, make sure there's no spam. It's just that... I don't have the energy to move the comms again, and I don't want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

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                    blaze@piefed.zip
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                    I don’t want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

                    I definitely relate.

                    I'm trying to keep things manageable nowadays. A few posts per day, that's it. It makes it easier to handle.

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                    • openstars@discuss.onlineO openstars@discuss.online

                      Sure, bc the mantra of bOtH sIdEs SaMe had nothing to do with Trump winning the last USA election. (/s) Granted that the Threadiverse itself is wholly inconsequential though.

                      If you listen to pretty much anyone arguing about us over on Reddit, explaining why they gave this place a legit try for multiple years but left and vehemently refuse to ever consider coming back, it's primarily tankies that they themselves cite as the reason why they left.

                      Though it is unclear if they realized that hexbears aren't actually tankies so much as a more pure form of troll that believes in nothing except dunking on people. It does, however, somewhat go with the territory of denying factual reality in preference to the echo chamber consensus?

                      Essentially in man vs. bear, people are choosing the bears, and the incels being avoided would do well to ask why that is, if we ever want to grow the Threadiverse.

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                      nightfantom@slrpnk.net
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                      Trump did more for clean energy than any democrat president! (Not /s but also not intentionally so idk what to say here)

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                      • objection@lemmy.mlO objection@lemmy.ml

                        How many dogs have anti-communist brainworms that make them constantly punch left? I can get along fine with just about anyone, dog, human, etc so long as they're not demanding I share their exact perspective on every country in the world and denouncing me as a fascist otherwise. Actual dogs make for much more pleasant conversational partners in my experience, though trying to reason with either is equally unproductive.

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                        pugjesus@lemmy.world
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                        I can get along fine with just about anyone, dog, human, etc so long as they’re not demanding I share their exact perspective on every country in the world and denouncing me as a fascist otherwise.

                        Cute way of describing Uyghur genocide denial.

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                        • pugjesus@piefed.socialP pugjesus@piefed.social

                          The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Piefeds, but in ourselves.

                          I still check in from time to time, check reports, make sure there's no spam. It's just that... I don't have the energy to move the comms again, and I don't want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

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                          arotrios@lemmy.world
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                          #52

                          Things I have learned since making the plea above...

                          • People can handle a pug as Christ, but not as Superman.
                          • Apparently the Fediverse thinks you're both a fascist and a commie. This indicates that you're doing something right.
                          • You've been doing this all for us. This is clearly the problem, because we're grumpy ungrateful motherfuckers and keep rolling your boulder back down the hill. The solution? Trebuchets, coupled with a healthy dose of "I don't give a fuck if those mofos don't get out of the way this time".
                          • Some people clearly should never own pets.

                          But despite all the trials, trolls, and tribulations, you answered our call. My faith in Dog is restored.

                          Also, been following you since the kbin days. You're Fediverse famous now, dawg. That's almost 5% of the way to internet famous, and also means that when you leave, the Fediverse wilts like a first year history major trying to describe French-Indochina in the 50s. Like the Picard Maneuvar and Satan's Maggoty Cumfart, your pugly mug is now one of the faces of this place, and with you gone, we're stuck with maggoty cumfarts and star trek memes.

                          In other words, Reddit.

                          So, if your faith in what you post ever gets lost in the trolling, know that for every grumpy asshole, there's a faithful shitposter looking to you for inspiration, or at least directions to a quality copper merchant in ancient Sumeria.

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                          • arotrios@lemmy.worldA arotrios@lemmy.world

                            Things I have learned since making the plea above...

                            • People can handle a pug as Christ, but not as Superman.
                            • Apparently the Fediverse thinks you're both a fascist and a commie. This indicates that you're doing something right.
                            • You've been doing this all for us. This is clearly the problem, because we're grumpy ungrateful motherfuckers and keep rolling your boulder back down the hill. The solution? Trebuchets, coupled with a healthy dose of "I don't give a fuck if those mofos don't get out of the way this time".
                            • Some people clearly should never own pets.

                            But despite all the trials, trolls, and tribulations, you answered our call. My faith in Dog is restored.

                            Also, been following you since the kbin days. You're Fediverse famous now, dawg. That's almost 5% of the way to internet famous, and also means that when you leave, the Fediverse wilts like a first year history major trying to describe French-Indochina in the 50s. Like the Picard Maneuvar and Satan's Maggoty Cumfart, your pugly mug is now one of the faces of this place, and with you gone, we're stuck with maggoty cumfarts and star trek memes.

                            In other words, Reddit.

                            So, if your faith in what you post ever gets lost in the trolling, know that for every grumpy asshole, there's a faithful shitposter looking to you for inspiration, or at least directions to a quality copper merchant in ancient Sumeria.

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                            pugjesus@piefed.social
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                            #53

                            May many respitorially challenged small dogs bless you, my child! ✋

                            I actually always felt very appreciated on here by most people! Sadly, it's purely an issue of energy. Rebuilding the audience on comms on another instance just is too much to do a fourth time. I do still wish the Fediverse the best!

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                            • N nightfantom@slrpnk.net

                              Trump did more for clean energy than any democrat president! (Not /s but also not intentionally so idk what to say here)

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                              openstars@discuss.online
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                              I mean... <sigh>, yeah. 🤪

                              People couldn't stand the thought of the lying "Demoncrats" (also not "fully" /s, in the objective sense that while I would not make that choice, people sometimes do call them that, plus also they legit do such all the time, like "Biden isn't senile" - yeah right!), and while they did not so much like Trump himself personally, they did take a gamble and rolled the dice a second time, playing (almost literally, if you know what I mean) a game of Russian Roulette, just on the off chance that even a stopped watch might do better twice a day than Kamala.

                              The liberals really gotta work on branding. "You should eat your vegetables" only works for so many people, leaving vast swaths of centrists to prefer to simply not vote.

                              I will say this about the Republicans: recently they are better at the game of politicking, with all that that entails. Yes they will eventually eat their own and tear it all down, but in the meantime they pitch a bigly tent (using the best words - this one phrase is /s! 😜) and welcome anyone to vote for them to get into power, and then they only betray them after that, not preemptively as Biden did by lying about his merely being sick. The art of compromise and many other skills seem to have been lost, and both sides are the same at least in one respect: both have been primarily relying upon the badness of the other side to win, less so any inherent goodness in their own. (But it did not need to be this way - Democrats set up HUGE infrastructure projects, and made gains in health - not so much healthcare itself obviously but like COVID policies - etc. These stories should have been TOLD more often and harder, but instead everyone focused on Biden's dementia, which tbf Trump did legit hide better than him, at the time.)

                              So tankies aren't even lying (all the time), as there is a hidden truth behind that - and then more lies behind that, but after that... maybe some truth again? Except I can't quite wrap my brain around the alternative fact that Russia is not an expansionist empire that invaded Ukraine, and instead the poor victim of aggressive Ukraine that somehow invaded them? Yeah, nevermind, even though a clock is correct twice a day, that does not mean that I should bother even so much as glancing at it if I want to know the time! 😂

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                              • pugjesus@piefed.socialP pugjesus@piefed.social

                                May many respitorially challenged small dogs bless you, my child! ✋

                                I actually always felt very appreciated on here by most people! Sadly, it's purely an issue of energy. Rebuilding the audience on comms on another instance just is too much to do a fourth time. I do still wish the Fediverse the best!

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                                arotrios@lemmy.world
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                                Totally understand - went through a similar period myself after kbin died - only now really getting my groove back.

                                To mitigate the issues with instance instability and mod dumbfuckery, I've been considering starting something self-hosted with ActivityPub integration (Wordpress plugin works okish), but it's a lot of work for the questionable payoff of being able to shitpost through the ages.

                                What the Fediverse really needs is a User Data Import/Export standard, where you can easily export your profile, communities, posts and comments to another instance.

                                But what I would say to you is that you've got enough name recognition and clout now that, if you get the energy to try again, your audience will travel with you. You don't necessarily need to rebuild what you built on Piefed on another instance - just move to a place where its easier to continue the parts of this that you enjoy doing, and the audience will follow.

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                                • S schmuppes@lemmy.today

                                  Have an upvote, just to test the limits of your instance.

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                                  fedia.io is Mbin, so can receive basically infinite upvotes.

                                  Only certain PieFed instances are shadow-censoring offered upvotes, and unfortunately the feature is enabled by default (opt-out rather than opt-in).

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                                  • pugjesus@piefed.socialP pugjesus@piefed.social

                                    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Piefeds, but in ourselves.

                                    I still check in from time to time, check reports, make sure there's no spam. It's just that... I don't have the energy to move the comms again, and I don't want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

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                                    openstars@discuss.online
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                                    Welcome back! Even if only for a brief hello:-).

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                                    • pugjesus@piefed.socialP pugjesus@piefed.social

                                      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Piefeds, but in ourselves.

                                      I still check in from time to time, check reports, make sure there's no spam. It's just that... I don't have the energy to move the comms again, and I don't want to put in the effort when the task on the Fediverse seems Sisyphean.

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                                      kolanaki@pawb.social
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                                      Spend less time moderating and more time giving us the contex on weird historical facts! I haven't learned anything since you've been absent. You are actively making me dumber by not hanging out anymore.

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                                      • arotrios@lemmy.worldA arotrios@lemmy.world

                                        Things I have learned since making the plea above...

                                        • People can handle a pug as Christ, but not as Superman.
                                        • Apparently the Fediverse thinks you're both a fascist and a commie. This indicates that you're doing something right.
                                        • You've been doing this all for us. This is clearly the problem, because we're grumpy ungrateful motherfuckers and keep rolling your boulder back down the hill. The solution? Trebuchets, coupled with a healthy dose of "I don't give a fuck if those mofos don't get out of the way this time".
                                        • Some people clearly should never own pets.

                                        But despite all the trials, trolls, and tribulations, you answered our call. My faith in Dog is restored.

                                        Also, been following you since the kbin days. You're Fediverse famous now, dawg. That's almost 5% of the way to internet famous, and also means that when you leave, the Fediverse wilts like a first year history major trying to describe French-Indochina in the 50s. Like the Picard Maneuvar and Satan's Maggoty Cumfart, your pugly mug is now one of the faces of this place, and with you gone, we're stuck with maggoty cumfarts and star trek memes.

                                        In other words, Reddit.

                                        So, if your faith in what you post ever gets lost in the trolling, know that for every grumpy asshole, there's a faithful shitposter looking to you for inspiration, or at least directions to a quality copper merchant in ancient Sumeria.

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                                        I did the math, and it says that Threadiverse famous is only <0.001% of internet famous. Though for that I had to assume that every person on earth has access to the interwebs, so maybe it's twice that, so >0.001% then⁉️

                                        And 5% is definitely >0.001% so actually, nvm, the math does check out after all.

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                                          Not many people read instance rules, so you may want to highlight the rule against genA"I" content in the community sidebar, to preemptively avoid confusion?

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