Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:

And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.

"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"

He's now calling you and all the other communities and instances unstable like matches...

https://lemmy.world/post/49887929

Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:

And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.

"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"

/> doesn't tolerate transphobia and hate

/> proceeds to ban the entire blahaj instance

Wat

There exist other reason they could consider blahaj bad

Not good reasons though

Obfuscated? Did you look at the code? It's in a file called "blacklist" with a GUI option to turn it off and it has some funny comments inside. It wasn't even encoded it's literally plain text

Edit: perhaps I saw a fork with the decoded list; either way I'm sorry for spreading misinformation looks like I'm totally wrong.

Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:

And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.

"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"

That post from the creator reads like a 4chan chud who escaped containment and is mad about their stinky diaper. Honestly, having read some of their little hissy fit about being caught, fuck that friendless asshole.

If there are no good reasons to block it, then what was your point?

That calling everyone a fascist is counterproductive because not everyone is as evil as one

There's this really nifty feature that, when you discover you've spewed bullshit, you can actually delete the comment! Isn't that so cool?!

He's now calling you and all the other communities and instances unstable like matches...

https://lemmy.world/post/49887929

Do you mean Lemmy's hard-coded slur word filter? Yes fortunately that was removed. I find it the height of irony how the Alternative Facts crowd keeps blaming PieFed for having hard-coded instance filters, which it does NOT do, while also shilling for Lemmy doing the same thing. But hey, Russia invaded Ukraine, you know? Whereas if you listen to certain people's ah... uh... "alternative perspective on the matter"... then it was actually the other way around!! (Except again, it was NOT!!) So there's nothing you can do about that except not feed the trolls the attention that they so desperately crave.

Or you might mean instead Lemmy's choice to hard-code Lemmy.ml as the source of truth as to what communities are allowed to be recommended to a new instance just starting up. Not a neutral 3rd party webpage or service, but basically if that specific instance has banned it, then it does not exist in the form of acknowledgement to new instances. This also is something that they blame PieFed for doing, which here too it does NOT, whereas Lemmy truly did. Or rather, tbf came very close to almost doing - I think that decision was rolled back soon enough that it did not even make it into the official released codebase, the outcry & pushback was already too high maybe? It still exists iirc as something that now can be opted out of by modifying a configuration setting to use some alternate source of truth, though with Lemmy.ml still the default setting rather than a neutral 3rd party service.

I would think if Lemmy had actual hard-coded (instance) blocklists, that must have been like... at least four years ago?

Truly, Lemmy has gotten better and less opinionated over time - still not perfect (see attempt described in 2nd paragraph above), but better.

While PieFed unfortunately is getting more opinionated over time. Enough even to sabotage all hopes that it will be useful for both serious discussions a la Mastodon plus also funny meme scrolling a la Reddit & Lemmy. See the PugJesus incident. Perhaps this was inevitable? It began as a general-purpose software, but increasingly Rimu (while seemingly being burnt out from fighting against the tankies of Lemmy) looks to want to take on the next steps of remodeling the very underlying nature of social media itself. But... nobody is ready for that just yet, the subscriber numbers simply are not there, and damnit some of us actually DO want to look at funny cat photos and videos!!! (As well as a great discussion too.) More to the point, the roll-out was spectacularly poorly handled, as even admin teams of multiple instances cited having no knowledge of what was going on, even on their own machines after updating the software but then being surprised at the differences in how it handled things (to their credit, the ones that I heard of each handled the situation very quickly and quite professionally).

So yeah, I'm disturbed by the progressive death of the Threadiverse as our numbers keep falling (55k Monthly Active Users at our peak, down to ~35k lately iirc), and then all the infighting pushes people away still further, especially those least willing to read about the details of each incident.

I prefer not to pretend my mistakes didn't happen. Would it be better to put the edit above it? I don't want to erase the context for future readers, and I don't think leaving it up as is, with the edit, would cause any problems. I'm open to ideas

Well it also decides what is a slur entirely without context.

"But what would the context for the N-word be?"

Well, black people can say it, at least black Americans, but that isn't the only type of "slur."

It also bans "bitch," even if you're just talking about that bitchin' game you just bought (slang for "awesome"), or a female dog (wouldn't want to offend dogs ofc), it presumes misogyny without evaluating context.

It does the same with "pussy." Pussy is a slang term for vagina, and a vulgar one at that, but are "slang terms for vagina" themselves "slurs?" I'd argue not, even being sexist and reducing a woman to only her body parts by calling her "a hole" isn't "a slur" (and it's only ok during sex, and if she is into that sort of thing. More are than you'd think tbh..). BUT what's more "pussy" itself when applied to a weak cowardly person IS NOT saying "you're like a weak cowardly woman," it's short for the oft forgotten word:

Pusillanimous

• Lacking courage; cowardly.
• Destitute of a manly or courageous strength and firmness of mind; of weak spirit; mean-spirited; spiritless; cowardly; -- said of persons.
• Evincing, or characterized by, weakness of mind, and want of courage; feeble.

While it does say "manly" in the second definition, it comes from the latin word "pusillus" (very small) which is related to "pusus" (boy), the comparison isn't "manly vs womanly" it's "manly vs child-like (boy)."

So "pussy" itself is IMO "a slur" in no context across either of its entirely separate definitions, though it can be used in a sexist manner just like "dishwasher" can be, so I guess they need to add that too.

It also makes me sound worse lol, if I say "you're acting like a removed," did I just call them a bitch? A pussy? The n-word? Who knows, fill in the blank I guess lol, the censor just lets your imagination decide.

You can still decompile things in closed source, which is what basically had to be done to identify this was happening.

Its about as scummy and antithetical to fediverse culture as could possibly be.

I'm more than OK with weird. I love weird. I'm even ok with strong political opinions that I don't always agree with. I'm fine with Lemmy staying small in the hopes it never ends up becoming an eternal September situation.

Those aren't the issue.The problem is the violent rhetoric combined with the intense and constant bad-jacketing. Constant jumping to bad conclusions about other users and arguing against those straw men instead of trying for good faith.

At least you only jumped to the conclusion that I wanted Lemmy to stop being weird and grow unsustainably popular. I was honestly expecting someone to call me a corporate stooge or that I'm just a butthurt MAGA chud upset that Lemmy leans left-wing, then tell me to kill myself.

There is nothing to be solved? Or rather nothing to be solved in regard to silencing voices.

Don't like someone's opinion? Get into arguments with strangers online about it. Change their minds. Or don't. That's up to you. But structural silencing and obscuring of voices and communities isnt the way.

The real issue here is accountability and that we do need a solution for. And the answer is already in the fediverse, I. That we need to have a democratic approach to moderation and to some extent administration.

Take for example what happened recently with @PugJesus@piefed.social. Real permanent damage was done to our community and there will be no accountability on the parts of the admins who made those decisions.

Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:

And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.

"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"

"Enable Toxic Mode"... lmfao!

My discussions since joining Lemmy & dbzer0 specifically are so much higher quality than when I used Reddit. People aren't calling each other stupid, and real discussions seem to be had from both sides of different topics. Maybe the instance I'm in is just well-moderated but I can't see how this community could be considered toxic or put on a blacklist by anyone other than those who are ignorant and judge books by their covers.

Some scary words for Patrick (cover your eyes): Anarchy! Transgender! Leftist! LGBT! Equality!