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  • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    It did make good on true federation.

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    zagorath@aussie.zone
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    Isn't their federation really fucking weird though? Like you can't run a federated server unless you're capable of handling 100% of all the posts on the entire platform? That's a pretty huge barrier, and one could argue it's less "federation" and more "mirroring".

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    • zagorath@aussie.zoneZ zagorath@aussie.zone

      Isn't their federation really fucking weird though? Like you can't run a federated server unless you're capable of handling 100% of all the posts on the entire platform? That's a pretty huge barrier, and one could argue it's less "federation" and more "mirroring".

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      irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      #35

      No.
      Their federation does differ from the fediverse's, essentially, people have PDSes (personal data servers) which are just dumb datastores. These store data like your posts, likes, follows and blocks publicly.

      AppViews are the other part, these take the data from PDSes and index it, and sort out interactions/notifications.

      AppViewLite, for example, can be self hosted on any computer, and can be set to only take posts from select users, and discard posts after a while.

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      • R red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        Personally, I think wishing harm on people that cause harm is completely OK. As for my wishes, those are inconveniences at most.

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        extremeunicorn@feddit.org
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        #36

        Maybe, I can't really comment on what she did or "deserves" for it. I just know she made some transphobic remarks in the past, which is messed up. But there's still a difference between someone with a twisted world view and Trump/Putin who actually incarcerate and sponsor torture of people.

        However, the discussion was on whether something is "harmful" or not and you may actually argue that her BS doesn't physically "harm" anyone either, if you try to make that point.

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        • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          2 day old account. First and only engagement is to defend a transphobe...

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          jpakx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          #37

          Thanks Ada ❤

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          • extremeunicorn@feddit.orgE extremeunicorn@feddit.org

            Maybe, I can't really comment on what she did or "deserves" for it. I just know she made some transphobic remarks in the past, which is messed up. But there's still a difference between someone with a twisted world view and Trump/Putin who actually incarcerate and sponsor torture of people.

            However, the discussion was on whether something is "harmful" or not and you may actually argue that her BS doesn't physically "harm" anyone either, if you try to make that point.

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            red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            #38

            Rowling spends her considerable fortune to actively influence policy to hurt trans people.

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            • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

              Context

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              recursiveparadox@lemmy.world
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              #39

              Um what? The hate for JKR is quite active on bsky. OP smoking crack; we hate that bitch.

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              • recursiveparadox@lemmy.worldR recursiveparadox@lemmy.world

                Um what? The hate for JKR is quite active on bsky. OP smoking crack; we hate that bitch.

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                v01dworks@piefed.social
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                #40

                Yeah I’ve never seen anyone on Bsky say anything remotely positive about her

                Or even neutral lol

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                • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                  Eh, her works may not be so poorly written as to be shitty, but they're just a pretty average story with a good editor. Her action scenes were average, tension building slightly above, and her characters were below. I'm sure if you went through the books with a fine tooth comb you could find a witty sentence or interesting paragraph, but nothing that would really stand out.

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                  dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                  I too am roundly disappointed at the prose of that children's series largely appealing to children and not adults who haven't moved on after thirty years

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                  • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                    I too am roundly disappointed at the prose of that children's series largely appealing to children and not adults who haven't moved on after thirty years

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                    burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    #42

                    As you should be. Kids books should be just as good as adult books. Maybe not for the adults, but for the kids reading them.

                    Having lower standards just because 'it's for kids,' is ridiculous.

                    It's not like disney or dreamworks to half ass their kid oriented movies. They're often masterpieces in their own right. There's good reason that the lion king, the land before time, the road to el dorado, etc., are all viewed fondly even today. Hell, take it out of animation, even. Secondhand lions, wizard of oz, charlie and the chocolate factory... great stuff.

                    Writing for kids can be just as complicated and well done in characters, setting, and 'elements' of a story like tension. Compare the hobbit to harry potter. The words tolkien chose may have been simple, in comparison to his the lord of the rings novels, but everything else was pretty damn good.

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                    • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                      As you should be. Kids books should be just as good as adult books. Maybe not for the adults, but for the kids reading them.

                      Having lower standards just because 'it's for kids,' is ridiculous.

                      It's not like disney or dreamworks to half ass their kid oriented movies. They're often masterpieces in their own right. There's good reason that the lion king, the land before time, the road to el dorado, etc., are all viewed fondly even today. Hell, take it out of animation, even. Secondhand lions, wizard of oz, charlie and the chocolate factory... great stuff.

                      Writing for kids can be just as complicated and well done in characters, setting, and 'elements' of a story like tension. Compare the hobbit to harry potter. The words tolkien chose may have been simple, in comparison to his the lord of the rings novels, but everything else was pretty damn good.

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                      dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                      #43

                      Brb reading Dubliners to elementary students and making fun of them when they don't have an opinion on the themes of Irish nationalism and its implications in an ever more interconnected world.

                      This obviously has nothing on the complex thought presented by UP, of course. My 500 page thesis on its handling of grief (tl;Dr talking dogs heal all wounds) will shortly follow.

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                      • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                        Brb reading Dubliners to elementary students and making fun of them when they don't have an opinion on the themes of Irish nationalism and its implications in an ever more interconnected world.

                        This obviously has nothing on the complex thought presented by UP, of course. My 500 page thesis on its handling of grief (tl;Dr talking dogs heal all wounds) will shortly follow.

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                        burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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                        #44

                        If your books need real world themes and connections to be good, maybe you should try improving their writing instead.

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                        • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          No.
                          Their federation does differ from the fediverse's, essentially, people have PDSes (personal data servers) which are just dumb datastores. These store data like your posts, likes, follows and blocks publicly.

                          AppViews are the other part, these take the data from PDSes and index it, and sort out interactions/notifications.

                          AppViewLite, for example, can be self hosted on any computer, and can be set to only take posts from select users, and discard posts after a while.

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                          flamingos@feddit.uk
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                          #45

                          Is this federation, though? I've always thought of federation as a technical description of a platform's network topology, that it is several nodes communicating with one another to provide an overall platform.

                          Like, an AppViewLite is basically analogous to a Nostr replay and no one describes Nostr as federated.

                          A more interesting conversation is whether grafting federation onto Bluesky is worth the effort. If indexing the network can be done for a reasonable price, which it seems to be, then I don't see why people would put in the effort. If an app view/relay goes bad then you can just switch and get mostly the same experience.

                          I still believe that the ActivityPub solution of the multi stakeholder platform is a better direction, but I don't think the Bluesky idea of super easy migration should be dismissed out of hand like it so often is on this side of the conversation.

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                          • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

                            Is this federation, though? I've always thought of federation as a technical description of a platform's network topology, that it is several nodes communicating with one another to provide an overall platform.

                            Like, an AppViewLite is basically analogous to a Nostr replay and no one describes Nostr as federated.

                            A more interesting conversation is whether grafting federation onto Bluesky is worth the effort. If indexing the network can be done for a reasonable price, which it seems to be, then I don't see why people would put in the effort. If an app view/relay goes bad then you can just switch and get mostly the same experience.

                            I still believe that the ActivityPub solution of the multi stakeholder platform is a better direction, but I don't think the Bluesky idea of super easy migration should be dismissed out of hand like it so often is on this side of the conversation.

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                            irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            #46

                            Yeah, it's still federation. It's just pull-based rather than push based.
                            Bluesky was made to be a decentralised twitter from the beginning.

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                            • C colforge@lemmy.world

                              They are absolutely equivalent and it’s ridiculous to argue otherwise.

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                              candy_colors@lemmy.world
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                              I miss the part where that's my problem

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                              • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                Yeah, it's still federation. It's just pull-based rather than push based.
                                Bluesky was made to be a decentralised twitter from the beginning.

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                                Meh, I still don't see it as federation, but that might just be me projecting my own definition. Like, if we accept that bsky is federated then that would mean Bing is federated, just for arbitrary HTML rather than predetermined JSON.

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                                • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

                                  Meh, I still don't see it as federation, but that might just be me projecting my own definition. Like, if we accept that bsky is federated then that would mean Bing is federated, just for arbitrary HTML rather than predetermined JSON.

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                                  irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  It depends on your definition of federation.

                                  It's defined as: "A system where various entities collaborate and share resources".

                                  Nodes definitely collaborate, and resources (data) is shared.

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                                  • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                                    Brb reading Dubliners to elementary students and making fun of them when they don't have an opinion on the themes of Irish nationalism and its implications in an ever more interconnected world.

                                    This obviously has nothing on the complex thought presented by UP, of course. My 500 page thesis on its handling of grief (tl;Dr talking dogs heal all wounds) will shortly follow.

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                                    skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Compare Harry Potter with Animorphs and then see if you can still make this comparison with a straight face afterward. One of these two series treats it's elementary student audience with respect, and is widely beloved because of it. It ain't HP.

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                                    • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      It did make good on true federation.

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                                      monogram@feddit.nl
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                                      It didn’t, bluesy made it able to selfhost your posts to keep their hosting costs down

                                      All the pros of federation and being able to self host an instance don’t exist on Bluesy so why would you?

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                                      • B burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de

                                        If your books need real world themes and connections to be good, maybe you should try improving their writing instead.

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                                        dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                                        Fucking lol

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                                        • zagorath@aussie.zoneZ zagorath@aussie.zone

                                          Isn't their federation really fucking weird though? Like you can't run a federated server unless you're capable of handling 100% of all the posts on the entire platform? That's a pretty huge barrier, and one could argue it's less "federation" and more "mirroring".

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                                          mesamunefire@piefed.social
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                                          Personally, its as simple as the ATProtocol is hard connected to Bluesky full stop. If Bluesky goes under, then AT will definitely suffer or fail.

                                          The fediverse (AKA ActivityPub) is not reliant on just one entity, its many many entities implementing the same protocol. So its MUCH more resilient than AT.

                                          But the good news is that we don't need to choose, as long as AP and AT both exist and keep going its going to be fine. The only issue becomes if services start only using AT over AP. Then we get a Microsoft situation where embrace extend extinguish occurs and we all become reliant on one not so benevolent corporation.

                                          Im still going to root for the more open source protocol for the above reasons.

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