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Reasons for optimism at the turn of the year: reflections on the fediverses, the ATmosphere, and whatever comes next

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  • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

    Reasons for optimism at the turn of the year: reflections on the fediverses, the ATmosphere, and whatever comes next

    https://privacy.thenexus.today/reasons-for-optimism-at-the-turn-of-the-year/

    #fediverse #ActivityPub #ATmosphere

    khleedril@cyberplace.socialK
    khleedril@cyberplace.socialK
    khleedril@cyberplace.social
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    @thenexusofprivacy I come here mostly to listen to experts talk truthfully about current affairs, without the pressure of 'bling'.

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    • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

      What are you looking for in social media? (2/N)

      It's not just a rhetorical question, I really am curious!

      You can respond with a reply to this post, via the pol.is conversation here, or -- if you're on fedi -- in the polls below. I'll write up the results later this month.

      persephonefive@mastodon.socialP
      persephonefive@mastodon.socialP
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      @thenexusofprivacy no algorithms.

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      • caitlinwaddick@social.coopC caitlinwaddick@social.coop

        @Matt_Noyes @ansate @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Matt. Are you referring to a “groups” feature in a particular app? Where is it?
        We migrated to Zulip for private conversations last summer. Are you on Zulip?

        matt_noyes@social.coopM
        matt_noyes@social.coopM
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        @CaitlinWaddick @ansate @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fedigroups, I guess. Seems like you can create a group there, accept members, who follow it, then posts to that address notify followers. Maybe I will set one up for fun and see how it works.

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        • matt_noyes@social.coopM matt_noyes@social.coop

          @CaitlinWaddick @ansate @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fedigroups, I guess. Seems like you can create a group there, accept members, who follow it, then posts to that address notify followers. Maybe I will set one up for fun and see how it works.

          ansate@social.coopA
          ansate@social.coopA
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          @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fwiw, my understanding is that fedi groups basically boost things that mention them, not an alert. You would get the same effect (non privately) from following a hashtag. Also since they work by boosting, i don’t think you can have private groups

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          • mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM
            mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM
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            @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

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            • mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM mildlyunreasonable@me.dm

              @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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              @mildlyunreasonable great phrasing!

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              • ansate@social.coopA ansate@social.coop

                @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fwiw, my understanding is that fedi groups basically boost things that mention them, not an alert. You would get the same effect (non privately) from following a hashtag. Also since they work by boosting, i don’t think you can have private groups

                hollie@social.coopH
                hollie@social.coopH
                hollie@social.coop
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                @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

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                • hollie@social.coopH hollie@social.coop

                  @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

                  edumerco@social.coopE
                  edumerco@social.coopE
                  edumerco@social.coop
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                  @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC
                  I think that is, using circles.

                  But don't we have already zulip for this? 🙂

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                  • ansate@social.coopA
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                    @sam @hollie @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Thanks Sam! I forgot about federation making you miss hashtags. And i should look into alerting rules

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                    • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
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                      @risottobias on https://thenexusofprivacy.net , and I'll shere them here as well

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                      • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                        What are you looking for in social media? (8/N)

                        Another poll in the series ... you can check more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

                        EDIT: editing to reopen it after it closed. My apologies for the extra notification to everybody who boosted it.

                        thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                        thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                        thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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                        What are you looking for in social media? (9/N)

                        Thanks everybody for the responses so far, here's a couple of new polls including some excellent suggestions that came in. If you've got other ideas, share them in the comments here -- or in the pol.is conversation (which also lets you disagree with stuff you don't want)

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                        • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                          What are you looking for in social media? (9/N)

                          Thanks everybody for the responses so far, here's a couple of new polls including some excellent suggestions that came in. If you've got other ideas, share them in the comments here -- or in the pol.is conversation (which also lets you disagree with stuff you don't want)

                          thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                          thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                          thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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                          What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                          Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                          • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                            What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                            Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

                            thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                            thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                            thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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                            What are you looking for in social media? (11/N)

                            Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                            • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                              What are you looking for in social media? (11/N)

                              Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

                              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                              thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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                              What are you looking for in social media? (12/12, for now)

                              Whew, that's a lot of polls. But I'm sure there are options I didn't include, feel free to make suggestions in the responses! And if you're looking for another way to respond, check out the pol.is conversation in the post here

                              The polls are still open for a few days ... after that, I'll write up the results -- along with (in at least some cases) suggestions about where to find what you're looking for -- and publish them on https://thenexusofprivacy.net

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                              • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
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                                Great suggestion. I had to split it into two responses because of the maximum length -- it's the first two in https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843753929752441

                                @ErickaSimone

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                                • hollie@social.coopH hollie@social.coop

                                  @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

                                  thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                                  thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                                  thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange
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                                  Bonfire has groups on their roadmap but doesn't currently implement them (although Circles let you do some group-like things). A broadly-available approximation to private Facebook groups would be a huge plus for fedi. Here's a distillation of some requirements-gathering work I did early last year.

                                  Anyhow I included a couple of questions relevant to this in one of the new polls at https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843753929752441

                                  • Something to replace "buy nothing" Facebook groups

                                  • Discussions with people in my neighborhood (without Nextdoor's racism)

                                  • Discussions that aren't public for the whole world to see

                                  @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC

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                                  • mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM mildlyunreasonable@me.dm

                                    @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

                                    thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
                                    thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
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                                    @mildlyunreasonable I included this in one of the new polls at https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843662200325736 and so far it's getting 100% agreement!

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                                    • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT
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                                      @lupus_blackfur fair enough. "no character limits" was the way the suggestion that came in was worded.

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                                      • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                                        @lupus_blackfur fair enough. "no character limits" was the way the suggestion that came in was worded.

                                        lupus_blackfur@mastodon.worldL
                                        lupus_blackfur@mastodon.worldL
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                                        @thenexusofprivacy

                                        Oh, I've no doubt...

                                        Not criticizing, not complaining, just clarifying my personal view on that option.

                                        I'm sure I don't need/want "unlimited", just a bit more would be nice in some infrequent instances.

                                        🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤔

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                                        • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                                          What are you looking for in social media? (7/N)

                                          Another poll in the series ... you can check more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

                                          EDIT: editing to reopen it after it closed. My apologies for the extra notification to everybody who boosted it.

                                          webhat@infosec.exchangeW
                                          webhat@infosec.exchangeW
                                          webhat@infosec.exchange
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                                          @thenexusofprivacy I don't understand why anti-racist environment isn't 100%, if people can choose as many opinions as they wanted… Are people just getting confused about polls?

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