Friends, if you haven't already, it would be a big favour to me if you could enable tags.pub to boost your public tagged posts.
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@mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto
You can definitely opt out of tags.pub! Nobody has to use it if they don't want to.
You can follow hashtags in Mastodon; many other servers on the Fediverse don't have that feature.
When you follow a hashtag in Mastodon, it only shows you content from people you follow, or from people who others on your instance follow. If someone posts on the Fediverse using a hashtag and nobody on your instance follows them, you won't see it.
@evan @mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto so after 2 years just now learning how hashtags work here - or more accurately, *donβt* work here - and honestly this is a smh moment for me. Arenβt we on a social network to communicate? Why why why design things in a way that intentionally silos groups and cripples the way hashtags are supposed to work (and do work, everywhere else)?
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@evan @mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto so after 2 years just now learning how hashtags work here - or more accurately, *donβt* work here - and honestly this is a smh moment for me. Arenβt we on a social network to communicate? Why why why design things in a way that intentionally silos groups and cripples the way hashtags are supposed to work (and do work, everywhere else)?
βοΈ@giantspecks @mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto Hi John! I agree, you should be able to follow hashtags globally across the Fediverse. That's why we're making tags.pub.
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@evan @mayintoronto Of course the centralization aspect is a bit worrisome, but another aspect might be interesting here if you decentralize it. It would allow to disambiguate tags, e.g.
#diner@tags.usvs#diner@tags.qc.cavs#diner@tags.fr@monnier @mayintoronto we have three tag-following services right now, and tags.pub is free and open source software, so it's possible to have more. I'd really support that.
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Friends, if you haven't already, it would be a big favour to me if you could enable tags.pub to boost your public tagged posts.
Just search for @_followback in your Mastodon UI. Click the follow button there. (Don't try to follow from the profile page; it doesn't work yet.)
It will follow you back, and when you make a post with a hashtag in it, the server will boost your post from the appropriate hashtag.
@_followback@tags.pub @evan@cosocial.ca
It just tells me that I'm awaiting approval
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@giantspecks @mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto Hi John! I agree, you should be able to follow hashtags globally across the Fediverse. That's why we're making tags.pub.
@evan @giantspecks @jakebrake @mayintoronto There has to be a better way then requiring us to find and follow an ever-growing multitude of accounts on a specific instance. #TagsDotPubIsAnUglyHack
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@evan @mlanger @jakebrake @mayintoronto so after 2 years just now learning how hashtags work here - or more accurately, *donβt* work here - and honestly this is a smh moment for me. Arenβt we on a social network to communicate? Why why why design things in a way that intentionally silos groups and cripples the way hashtags are supposed to work (and do work, everywhere else)?
βοΈ@giantspecks @evan @jakebrake @mayintoronto This is what I want to know.
Expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. How many users are going to do that, especially if they believe that hashtags work the way we were told they do?
There has to be a better solution. #TagsDotPubIsAnUglyHack
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@giantspecks @evan @jakebrake @mayintoronto This is what I want to know.
Expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. How many users are going to do that, especially if they believe that hashtags work the way we were told they do?
There has to be a better solution. #TagsDotPubIsAnUglyHack
@mlanger@mastodon.world the great thing about open source is that if you don't like it, you are under no obligation to use it.
What's interesting about tags.pub to me is that I as a server administrator can subscribe to tags on behalf of my users, no end-user involvement required. We already do this via the fedibuzz relay, but having more options is always a net positive.
> Expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd.
If you don't like this workflow, simply don't use it. It's entirely possible that Mastodon could abstract this away so that you don't see tags.pub at all, but every time you follow a hashtag it does everything in the background for you.
@evan@cosocial.ca is building the plumbing to solve a very real problem.
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@julian We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. But that's how it looks to me.
Are you saying that this is under the hood stuff and we are not expected to follow bot accounts? That somehow these accounts will transparently deliver the hashtags we follow? If so, it's a huge mistake to notify users that an instantly created bot account has boosted a post.
And again, I think the bigger problem is hashtag abuse. I hope someone is working on that.
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@julian We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. But that's how it looks to me.
Are you saying that this is under the hood stuff and we are not expected to follow bot accounts? That somehow these accounts will transparently deliver the hashtags we follow? If so, it's a huge mistake to notify users that an instantly created bot account has boosted a post.
And again, I think the bigger problem is hashtag abuse. I hope someone is working on that.
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> We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd.Not at all, I think following a hashtag bot is quite smart, but I'm in a minority of people who think that the things you follow don't necessarily have to be people.
I'd follow hashtags, books, museum pieces, events, video channels, all sorts of things.
It's limiting to expect that your follow count should only contain people.
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> @mlanger@mastodon.world said:
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> We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd.Not at all, I think following a hashtag bot is quite smart, but I'm in a minority of people who think that the things you follow don't necessarily have to be people.
I'd follow hashtags, books, museum pieces, events, video channels, all sorts of things.
It's limiting to expect that your follow count should only contain people.
@julian Now I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot because you are quoting things that I'm saying without putting them in quotations, thus generating misleading posts. I'm done with this discussion; I don't need to talk to a robot.
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@julian @mlanger I don't actually think it's an ugly hack.
In ActivityPub world, things that you follow remotely are actors. They can be people, groups, organizations, bots, even other things like documents or places.
For following a hashtag remotely, I think it should look like any other actor on the network.
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@julian @mlanger I don't actually think it's an ugly hack.
In ActivityPub world, things that you follow remotely are actors. They can be people, groups, organizations, bots, even other things like documents or places.
For following a hashtag remotely, I think it should look like any other actor on the network.
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@julian Now I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot because you are quoting things that I'm saying without putting them in quotations, thus generating misleading posts. I'm done with this discussion; I don't need to talk to a robot.
@mlanger@mastodon.world that's an interesting way to stop a conversation β accuse the other of being a bot.
Maybe I'll use a few more em dashes lest I be further mistaken for a human
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@julian @mlanger one way to fix that is to get lots of data to your server.
If you are on a big server, with lots of other users who follow lots of people across the Fediverse, that will bring in a lot of data.
Another option is relays; they copy all the data from one server to a group of other servers.
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@julian @mlanger one way to fix that is to get lots of data to your server.
If you are on a big server, with lots of other users who follow lots of people across the Fediverse, that will bring in a lot of data.
Another option is relays; they copy all the data from one server to a group of other servers.
This all brings in a firehose, which can be a lot of data to handle, especially if you're only interested in a few topics.
Fedibuzz has solved this really nicely, by having one relay per hashtag. So an admin can add a few hashtag relays for topics of interest to their users.
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@julian @mlanger I think it would be *great* if when someone on a Mastodon server subscribed to a hashtag locally, that would automatically trigger a new stream of data coming from Fedibuzz, tags.pub, or another global hashtag server.
I started a conversation on making a FASP backend service definition for this issue:
https://github.com/mastodon/fediverse_auxiliary_service_provider_specifications/issues/60
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@giantspecks @evan @jakebrake @mayintoronto This is what I want to know.
Expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. How many users are going to do that, especially if they believe that hashtags work the way we were told they do?
There has to be a better solution. #TagsDotPubIsAnUglyHack
@mlanger @mayintoronto @giantspecks @evan @jakebrake I wonder if this "ugly hack" is, in fact, a test of a concept Evan hopes to propose to Mastodon for more elegant inclusion.
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