Friends, if you haven't already, it would be a big favour to me if you could enable tags.pub to boost your public tagged posts.
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@julian We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. But that's how it looks to me.
Are you saying that this is under the hood stuff and we are not expected to follow bot accounts? That somehow these accounts will transparently deliver the hashtags we follow? If so, it's a huge mistake to notify users that an instantly created bot account has boosted a post.
And again, I think the bigger problem is hashtag abuse. I hope someone is working on that.
> @mlanger@mastodon.world said:
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> We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd.Not at all, I think following a hashtag bot is quite smart, but I'm in a minority of people who think that the things you follow don't necessarily have to be people.
I'd follow hashtags, books, museum pieces, events, video channels, all sorts of things.
It's limiting to expect that your follow count should only contain people.
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> @mlanger@mastodon.world said:
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> We apparently agree that expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd.Not at all, I think following a hashtag bot is quite smart, but I'm in a minority of people who think that the things you follow don't necessarily have to be people.
I'd follow hashtags, books, museum pieces, events, video channels, all sorts of things.
It's limiting to expect that your follow count should only contain people.
@julian Now I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot because you are quoting things that I'm saying without putting them in quotations, thus generating misleading posts. I'm done with this discussion; I don't need to talk to a robot.
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@julian @mlanger I don't actually think it's an ugly hack.
In ActivityPub world, things that you follow remotely are actors. They can be people, groups, organizations, bots, even other things like documents or places.
For following a hashtag remotely, I think it should look like any other actor on the network.
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@julian @mlanger I don't actually think it's an ugly hack.
In ActivityPub world, things that you follow remotely are actors. They can be people, groups, organizations, bots, even other things like documents or places.
For following a hashtag remotely, I think it should look like any other actor on the network.
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@julian Now I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot because you are quoting things that I'm saying without putting them in quotations, thus generating misleading posts. I'm done with this discussion; I don't need to talk to a robot.
@mlanger@mastodon.world that's an interesting way to stop a conversation — accuse the other of being a bot.
Maybe I'll use a few more em dashes lest I be further mistaken for a human
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@julian @mlanger one way to fix that is to get lots of data to your server.
If you are on a big server, with lots of other users who follow lots of people across the Fediverse, that will bring in a lot of data.
Another option is relays; they copy all the data from one server to a group of other servers.
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@julian @mlanger one way to fix that is to get lots of data to your server.
If you are on a big server, with lots of other users who follow lots of people across the Fediverse, that will bring in a lot of data.
Another option is relays; they copy all the data from one server to a group of other servers.
This all brings in a firehose, which can be a lot of data to handle, especially if you're only interested in a few topics.
Fedibuzz has solved this really nicely, by having one relay per hashtag. So an admin can add a few hashtag relays for topics of interest to their users.
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@julian @mlanger I think it would be *great* if when someone on a Mastodon server subscribed to a hashtag locally, that would automatically trigger a new stream of data coming from Fedibuzz, tags.pub, or another global hashtag server.
I started a conversation on making a FASP backend service definition for this issue:
https://github.com/mastodon/fediverse_auxiliary_service_provider_specifications/issues/60
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@giantspecks @evan @jakebrake @mayintoronto This is what I want to know.
Expecting us to follow bot accounts to see hashtags is absurd. How many users are going to do that, especially if they believe that hashtags work the way we were told they do?
There has to be a better solution. #TagsDotPubIsAnUglyHack
@mlanger @mayintoronto @giantspecks @evan @jakebrake I wonder if this "ugly hack" is, in fact, a test of a concept Evan hopes to propose to Mastodon for more elegant inclusion.
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@julian Now I'm starting to wonder if you're a bot because you are quoting things that I'm saying without putting them in quotations, thus generating misleading posts. I'm done with this discussion; I don't need to talk to a robot.
I don't know how it looks on your end, but fyi I see it formatted as a markdown blockquote. So I don't believe Julian is intending to mislead anyone about the origin of your statements:
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@julian @mlanger I don't actually think it's an ugly hack.
In ActivityPub world, things that you follow remotely are actors. They can be people, groups, organizations, bots, even other things like documents or places.
For following a hashtag remotely, I think it should look like any other actor on the network.
Off topic, but curious to know about "following" documents or places. Are there any examples of that yet? Could the Fediverse turn into a giant HyperCard deck at some point? Intriguing!
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@jakebrake @julian @mlanger I don't know. It's technically allowed in the standard, but a lot of software, like Mastodon, limits following to a few actor types.
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@tom @julian @astro There are some small differences in following between a relay and a regular actor. But it's essentially correct.
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae0c/fep-ae0c.md
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