IMO that's the very reason why the FSF failed to gain significant traction over the years. Using a 100% libre device is HARD, even if you really want to. But yeah, gatekeeping is never gonna be helpful to push people towards better habits...

However, I would politely disagree with the "best tool for the job" argument. I believe that FLOSS software is an inherent quality, and that some degree of trade-off is acceptable, and even needed if we want to further promote it.
Like, is Darktable worst than Lightroom? Sure, but it's an awesome piece of software with minimal trade-offs for most people, so I think it's still meaningful to promote it above a potentially better software for the job, feature-wise but that requires to give up all freedom to Adobe.

Eventually that limit of acceptable trade-off is matter of personal choice, and again, it sound silly to gate-keep people on the Fediverse for that...

you butchered the hell out of that format

Same why I'm still on Reddit. I'm definitely not getting people who struggle with the same illness that causes fatigue and brain fog to spend more energy they don't have on switching to another platform that doesn't even come up when you type it into a search engine to seek support from other people affected by the illness. It's easy to say "don't use this, don't use that", if all they use these platforms for is for memes and messenger.

I had to create an account and use Facebook in my support job days, because that's where everyone was posting shift exchange requests. An entire department won't just switch to Signal for this just because the new person refuses to use anything not FOSS.

Same witht cars. I prefer not to use my car, and I'm happy that in my day-to-day life I can just walk, cycle or use public transit. But if I'm visiting my parents in the countryside of another country, I'm sure not spending—checks notes—9 hours on train with multiple connections instead of just under 2 by driving the car.

Do what you can to avoid using all these, but don't go to the extremes where you're not getting the info you need or getting to places you need to be. Should the the message.

There is being a dick about facts people don't want to hear and there's better deliveries. I can't disagree at all that the world is worse because of Facebook or that people using it is the only reason it can make the world worse. But I'm trying to be less of a dick about it. I try not to be one of those extremists.

One of the problems with Facebook is also present on Lemmy, which is where people dehumanize each other and act like total extremist dicks. At least on Lemmy, it's not generally going to pay dickheads who profit from that or for genocide or other suffering.

It's a complicated world out there but some facts aren't complicated and that increases the likelihood of people being blunt extremist dicks about those facts. Sucks but that's just how it is

That sounds like a defensible use of it.

They said something akin to it's almost impossible to give up. But I have no intention to argue about it. My comment was more about how it read to me in the moment. I can't say exactly what they were thinking.

You can safely assume that most Fedi users that are still on Facebook have a defensible use of it. It’s quite unlikely that anyone around here uses it for entertainment which is why the tone you or others use is unnecessarily condescending.

I don't think I was condescending. It's possible you're just tired of hearing about this topic.

And no, I cannot assume that at all. 99% of fb use is indefensible, if not more

Lol, actually rejected by the community.

Have you seen anyone on Fedi saying „yeah, I need Facebook because otherwise where would I get my daily AI shrimp Jesus fix?”. Your mental health will improve when you stop assuming everyone you don’t like is evil.

Yeah, and in terms of usability Discord alternatives are really quite substantially behind Discord in terms of functions.

I don't think the same is with Reddit and Lemmy/Piefed. The distance is not so vast.

Well ummm.... normies ruin everything.

WTF do you mean XMPP is buggy ?? It's one if the most feature-complete things out there only beaten by IRC

Having used Discord, it's hard to see how anything could be behind it in terms of functionality, since "using nothing" is literally an improvement over Discord.

I can’t disagree at all that the world is worse because of Facebook or that people using it is the only reason it can make the world worse

Neither can I. And I'll take any opportunity I can to try and persuade people to organise in other spaces and espouse the benefits of doing so. (Check my Reddit account: it's been mostly inactive since the API debacle, but literally every contribution it has made has been friendly nods towards Lemmy and Piefed.) What I would never do is belittle someone for using it, apropos of absolutely nothing at all.

.... Okay. You don't really understand anything about what I'm saying or my mental health

I don’t think I was condescending

99% of fb use is indefensible, if not more

Uh huh.

If you want to make a comprehensive chatroom, and specify how it works to minor details - Revolt (for instance) is far behind. If what Discord is doesn't appeal to you in the first place, then neither would any of the Discord alternatives.

You should gatekeep Discord because it fucking sucks